LRFOP Contemplates Dues for Retired Members

FOP LogoOn December 20, 2011, I attended the LRFOP meeting that was conducted by Vice President Everett Hooper when President Bart Simpson and Secretary Tommy Hudson were unable to attend that meeting.  Also present were approximately a dozen active duty LRPD officers including State Lodge President Allen Hamby.  I haven’t previously reported on this meeting because I have been very busy with the Christmas season.

I attended that meeting expecting that the issue of retired member’s rights in the LRFOP would be on their Agenda after I wrote my last article concerning that issue on this website that lead to the State Lodge President declaring that their Executive Board’s attempt to ask for a vote of their membership on that issue was unconstitutional under the National FOP Constitution.  Consequently, the LRFOP is currently in the process of rewriting their Constitution to comply with the National and State Constitutions in that area.

While that issue was apparently NOT on their Agenda for discussion, I brought it up anyway because I believed it was important to our pension membership and explained that I had contacted State Lodge President Allen Hamby about this issue because I did not believe the vote being proposed by the LRFOP Executive Board was authorized under the National FOP Constitution and I was concerned that this vote could strip me and other retired members of our rights in the LRFOP that was unfair and improper.

The LRFOP Executive Board assured me that they DID want their retired membership to have a place in the LRFOP and that they will continue to offer their retired members the option of enjoying the privilege of LRFOP lodge membership as an “Honorary” member free of charge, but in the future, anyone who wants to be an “active” member with full rights in the FOP will have to pay LRFOP dues apparently because they believe it is warranted if we wish to have “voice and vote” in the LRFOP.  They also explained that they will be sending each of their retired membership a letter explaining this issue and the various options available to their retired officers very soon because they recognized that many where not aware of the need to pay National and State dues and to announce this new requirement for “active” membership.

When I requested to know how much those dues may be, Past-President John Gilchrist told me that, at that time, they were looking at only charging retired officers half the amount they charge their active duty membership or approximately $15 per month but that no firm determination of the amount to charge their retired members has yet been made.  In response to that statement, I reminded them that most of their current retired membership live only on the small police  pensions provided under the old retirement system that has no automatic cost of living increase, such as is authorized under the LOPFI retirement system, and recommended a reduced amount for those retired members.

Since that meeting, I have had the time to give what was said during that meeting some additional thought.  It would now appear that the past promise of allowing retired members to remain in the LRFOP as “active” members by only paying their National and State dues without the need to pay any LRFOP dues will soon become a thing of the past, if what Mr. Gilchrist mentioned is adopted.  Unfortunately, such a suggestion is totally within the LRFOP ability under the National and State FOP Constitutions but, of course, they will have to put that matter to a vote of their membership to obtain such a change in their Constitution that I expect will pass such a vote  because that matter would only affect their retired membership and many active duty members are not cognizant of the fact that, one day, they too will be retired although with much better pension benefits than we have including an automatic cost of living increase provided under the LOPFI retirement system.

Personally, I might have been willing to pay up to another $20 per year for the luxury of being an “active” member of the LRFOP but I quite certainly have no desire to add an additional $180 a year to my expenses to achieve such membership and, in my opinion; I am not very interested in an “honorary” membership as being an honorary member would only allow access to lodge functions that I don’t use anyway and would NOT provide me with the ability to claim FOP membership without paying the new LRFOP dues for retired members.  I strongly suspect that obtaining our failure to pay those retired dues is the true objective of the LRFOP Executive Board anyway so that they can use that excuse to kick us out of the FOP while still providing us with the seemingly generous opportunity to stay, where we are apparently not really wanted, as nothing more than “honorary” members.

Consequently, I have contacted State FOP President Allen Hamby about the possibility of starting a Retired Police Officer’s FOP Lodge.  He told me that it is certainly possible but that such a lodge would have to admit ANY retired officer in the State and could not be limited to only LRPD retired officers.  He also stated I would only need ten (10) retired officers who wished to join the new lodge to get it started but that a person can only be a member of one FOP lodge at a time and that anyone who joined the new Retired Lodge could NOT also be an “active” member of their old local lodge; however, given the strong possibility of our having to pay LRFOP dues, I do not really see that as much of a problem.  While he didn’t mention anything about “honorary” lodge members, I suppose any new lodge member could remain as an honorary members in their old local lodge if they wished because ANYONE can be an “honorary” member of a lodge regardless of law enforcement experience.

Because I have already contacted the required number of retired LRPD officers who expressed an interest in forming such an FOP lodge, I believe that option is a viable alternative for our retired membership who wish to keep their FOP membership active by paying only the $21.50 a year in State and National dues and perhaps another $10 per year to be able to have some funds available to do the necessary paperwork, maintain a new lodge checking account, and pay the National and State dues that must be paid only by that lodge, without totally emptying our checking account, to keep the Retired State FOP Lodge going for our retired membership even though such a lodge would be open to law enforcement retirees anywhere in our State.

The cost for the ten retired officers to pay their annual National and State FOP dues is only $215 per year and with the additional $10 per year would only be another $100 for a grand total of $315 per year for all ten officers.  Those same ten retired officers would have to pay a total of $1,800 per year if they remain as active members of the LRFOP and the LRFOP charges $15 per month for a retired member’s dues.   I can’t recall if they said the National and State dues would be paid from that amount but, if not, that would add another $215 to that total bringing that cost to $2,215 per year.  Of course, starting a new FOP lodge would mean that the founding members would have to reach a consensus of opinion on the membership of a new “executive board” but I do not believe that would be a problem as many of the officers contacted also expressed an interest in serving in that capacity to get the new lodge started.

Thus, if the LRFOP wants us to pay such dues for the privilege of remaining as active members of the LRFOP, I am ready, willing, and able to form our own Retired Officers State FOP Lodge for our retired police officers to join.  The option of starting a Retired Officers FOP Lodge may be the best thing that could possibly happen for us anyway because our retired interests are not always consistent with active duty interests and being a member of a new State FOP Lodge would probably provide us with more influence at the Arkansas State Legislature on various retirement issues then we now have as well as providing us with greater access to the vast resources available from the State and National FOP.  At the very least, we would all know that our membership in such a lodge was truly appreciated and welcomed.

Let me know if you too are willing and ready to join in that effort by commenting below about your possible desire to join a new Retired FOP Lodge or emailing me at sryoung24@gmail.com!

Comments

  1. Steve Archer says:

    Count me in!

  2. David Goodson says:

    That sounds good to me. I sure dont want to be where I dont feel welcome. Steve thank you so much for your hard work.

  3. Donald Wood says:

    A State wide Retired Officers FOP would be great. The influence it would have would be something else.

  4. Jerry Best says:

    Count me in, sounds great!!!!!!!!!!!!

  5. Scott Stubenrauch says:

    I would be interested in joining a retired FOP lodge if for no other reason than for the comraderie.  I think from time to time that it is unfortunate that the only occasions I get to see former friends and co-workers are at funeral visitations.  Personally, I would feel as an interloper, injecting myself into the business of the active FOP lodge as I share few issues with the current LRPD employees.  Steve, I believe you are on the right track with a statewide retired FOP lodge which could represent all retired LE personnel, Hell, we could even let some of those retired and transplanted Yankees in if only to make fun of the way they talk.  Steve, be careful, though, that you don”t bite off more than you can chew.     

  6. Brian J McClung says:

    Scott, Steve and I discussed this new venture just a few days ago. There would have to be a board established just like lodge 17 is running and that means people willing to hold positions and maintain the paper work and all of the other problems that come with keeping an entity like this going. I have told Steve I am all for this Retired FOP, but like you said, “I would feel as an interloper, injecting myself into the business of the active FOP lodge as I share few issues with the current LRPD employees.” I don’t know how much we need to vote on the things that don’t directly affect us as retired guards.
    I have been a State and National member of the FOP for the majority of my retired years (11 as of January 2012) and I have used that membership for discounts on rental cars and other benies. I also like the thought that if I am away from home and have a situation that may arise when I would need the assistance of a fellow FOP member or of his Lodge, that they would be there for me because of my membership. My State and National dues for 2012 were $17.50 and I have heard that some have had to pay 21.50 for the same dues. I don’t know why there is that difference. I wan to keep my affiliation with the State and National Lodge and when I joined the FOP and when I retired, I was tole i would be a life time member of LRFOP Lodge 17, well I am not dead yet, so I must still be a member……….Sorry for being so long winded……….Brain

  7. Brian J McClung says:

    Sorry for the misspelled words but at my age my mind works faster than my fingers. Steve, I apologize to you for when you spelled my name wrong because I have done the same but Brain does sound better.

  8. Clem Papineau says:

    Ok I am all for a retired FOP, as like all of you, I have no real business with Lodge 17.  I am curious though, I could have sworn I was told when I retired that I was a Life member of the FOP, no one has ever said anything about paying dues to the National Office.  Have I been mistaken all these years?  Should I have been paying money (dues) to someone?  I really thought our brothers in the Lodge were takeing care of us.  Someday I would really like to know the real reason they are trying to get us out of the lodge.

  9. Steve Young says:

    Clem,
     
    Like you, no one ever told me either.  That is one reason they are sending the letter out to their retired membership.  I first paid my dues after being told by State Lodge President Hamby that all retired officers were only “honorary” members unless they paid their State and National dues of $21.50 a year which I then paid.  I too had always thought that our local lodge was simply paying that small amount for us.  We were wrong.
     
    Steve

  10. farris says:

    Pretty good points Clim, I wounder the same things too, and did not know that we should be paying the national dues.  Hopefully Allen or an FOP representative will let us know exactly what the deal is.

    Farris        

  11. Brian J McClung says:

    I am not sure how I found out, but when I first started paying my state and national dues, it seems like they were $14 so that has been several years ago. It seem like I had asked Linda Hudson in passing about dues and she informed me that we had to pay our state and national dues, I am thinking.